# Did Trump Finally Prove It? Gary Berntsen Reveals What He Says the Evidence Shows - July 17 Hr 2

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Podcast: [The Joe Pags Show](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-joe-pags-show-4835546)
Published: 2026-07-18T01:52:00+00:00
Episode link: https://traffic.megaphone.fm/SHDI5370500440.mp3
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Duration seconds: 2660

## Resource

Pags explains why he believes many critics oppose President Trump without clearly articulating their reasons, then breaks down DHS Secretary Markwayne Mullin's latest claims about voter fraud and election integrity. He also explores whether a president has the legal authority to eliminate voting machines or whether those decisions rest with states and Congress. Then, former CIA special operations officer Gary Berntsen joins the show to discuss his findings on alleged election interference, how those findings inspired the book Stolen Elections, and why he believes the evidence involving voting systems and foreign actors deserves closer scrutiny. Berntsen also explains why he believes the evidence cited by President Trump warrants further investigation into the 2020 election. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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