# Zynga Founder Mark Pincus: Why All New Fails + How to Copy to Millions

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Podcast: [The James Altucher Show](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-james-altucher-show-745332)
Published: 2026-06-25T07:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

A Note from James: Mark Pincus is one of the true OGs of the internet. You probably know him as the founder of Zynga, the company behind FarmVille , Zynga Poker , and Words With Friends . Zynga was eventually acquired by Take-Two in a transaction valued at approximately $12.7 billion. Before Zynga, Mark started Tribe, one of the first social networks—before MySpace and Facebook. He has spent more than 25 years building, failing, and studying what gets millions of people to click, play, share, and come back. His new book, Life at the Speed of Play , inspired me to start coming up with new business ideas while we were still recording. What I really love is how Mark teaches people to copy like a master without looking like a copycat. He has a framework called “Proven–Better–New.” Start with something that has already been proven. Make it obviously better. Then isolate the new idea you want to test. It’s one of the best systems I’ve heard for creating products people actually want. We talk about the early days of Facebook and MySpace, the failure of Tribe, the gaming industry, consumer psychology, AI coding, and how agents could eventually network and work for us while we’re doing something else. I loved talking with Mark. I was still thinking about this conversation afterward—and I’m literally building businesses based on what I learned. His new book is called Life at the Speed of Play . Listen to this episode, and then read the book. Episode Description: Most founders begin with an idea and then spend months—or years—trying to prove that people want it. Mark Pincus thinks that process is backward. At Zynga, Mark’s teams built “failure machines”: simple systems that allowed them to test hundreds of concepts before writing the code. They put unfinished ideas in front of re…

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