# Lessons Learned - Geopolitical Cousins

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Podcast: [The Jacob Shapiro Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-jacob-shapiro-podcast-5326035)
Published: 2026-07-31T11:30:00+00:00
Episode link: https://geopolitical-cousins.captivate.fm/episode/taos-2
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## Resource

Round two. Same four analysts, a lot more whiskey, and a lot less structure. Peter Zeihan, Marko Papic, and Matt Gertken sit back down with Jacob - a man who cut his teeth pestering all three of them for their pieces as a Stratfor intern - for an unfiltered conversation about how they actually became geopolitical strategists. They trade formative-moment stories from Stratfor's early-2000s "golden age" (including the Egypt/Mubarak call that made Jacob's career), debate whether corporate America can ever hire real geopolitical talent, and each name the one book that shaped how they see the world - from World War Z to Aristotle to The Ingenuity Gap. Along the way: George Friedman lore, the DC Comics-vs-Marvel theory of geopolitical shops, and a genuinely moving closing tribute to the mentor who built this whole coaching tree. Part reunion, part masterclass in how to think about the world - and part roast session. -- Timestamps: (00:00) - Welcome Back Round Two (00:52) - Whiskey And Loose Format (01:34) - Formative Stratfor Moments (02:24) - Arab Spring Cred Test (04:17) - Stratfor Coaching Tree (07:50) - Pipeline After Cold War (14:17) - Academia Versus Geopolitics (17:14) - Analyst Craft And Courage (20:22) - Chief Geopolitical Officer Debate (22:55) - Training Gap And Time Horizons (25:29) - Universities And MBA Reform (27:39) - Ideology And Groupthink (30:02) - Theory Versus Practice (30:57) - Frameworks Beat Facts (31:44) - Operationalizing Geopolitics (34:24) - Training Pipelines and MBAs (37:39) - Sector Specialists and Scale (40:01) - Everyone a Geostrategist (41:01) - Deglobalization in Fashion (42:51) - Formative Books Roundtable (51:07) - Great Men and Psychology (54:21) - Empathetic Analysis Explained (56:25) - Displacement and Perspective (58:23) - Formative E…

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