# When Courage Calls // Facing the Canon with Dr Sarah C. Williams

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Podcast: [The J.John Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-j-john-podcast-1235403)
Published: 2026-07-15T05:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.jjohn.com
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## Resource

This week, J.John is joined by Dr Sarah C. Williams, a historian with deep Christian roots as the granddaughter of evangelist Tom Rees and daughter of Jennifer Rees Larcombe. Trained in history at Oxford University, Sarah brings a rich historical perspective to faith and society, with a particular focus on the life and legacy of Josephine Butler and her impact as a pioneering social reformer. In this conversation, she reflects on Butler’s courage and convictions, and what they can teach us today about faith in action, especially for women sensing a call to preach and lead. Sarah also shares from her own life, including the loss of a child, and how that experience has shaped her understanding of grief, faith, and hope alongside her study of history and Christian witness.

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