# Present Value vs. Terminal Value: The Real Difference Between “Value” and “Growth”

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“Value vs. growth” gets treated like two different religions—but the math doesn’t agree. In this episode, Andrew is joined by Daniel Mahncke and Sean O’Malley to break down intrinsic value into two core components: present value (cash flows you can reasonably forecast) and terminal value (everything beyond your explicit forecast period). They make it tangible with two case studies: Universal Music Group as a “bond-like” business with predictable cash flows, and MercadoLibre as a long-runway compounder where more of the outcome depends on assumptions, competition, and execution. You’ll also hear how they think about earnings yield, margin of safety, and position sizing when the downside risk isn’t the same across businesses. What You Will Learn The difference between present value and terminal value in intrinsic value Why Buffett says growth and value are “joined at the hip” How to use earnings yield (inverse of P/E) to think more clearly about “expensive” stocks Why predictable businesses can trade cheaper than they “should” How uncertainty changes position sizing and downside risk management Timestamps 00:00 – Intro to Daniel Mahncke & Sean O’Malley 01:26 – Starting with Security Analysis 04:39 – Valuing stocks via present value vs. terminal value 05:14 – What a stock is worth: future cash flows + discounting (time value of money) 06:02 – Why “value vs. growth” is mostly identity, not math 09:23 – Multiples made tangible: earnings yield and margin of safety logic 11:11 – Case study #1: Universal Music Group 19:38 – Why UMG may lack “optionality” 24:15 – Case study #2: MercadoLibre runway, margin expansion, and why it’s riskier 46:11 – Portfolio management: conviction, co-managing decisions, and the “too-hard pile” Resources Mentioned The Value Spotlight Newsletter: ⁠h…

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