# Pre-Tragic, Tragic & Post-Tragic Pt 2 w/ Gafni

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Podcast: [The Integral Stage Expanded Universe (ISEU)](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-integral-stage-expanded-universe-iseu-5253710)
Published: 2026-02-12T14:23:31+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-integral-stage/episodes/Pre-Tragic--Tragic--Post-Tragic-Pt-2-w-Gafni-e3f0ege
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This is the second part of a deep dive into the nuances of the pre-tragic, tragic & post-tragic framing. It begins in speculative theory space and moves into a consideration of power, post-tragic sexual narratives, the integrity of developmental communities, self-harm, and the collective future of inquiry into the concept of the Post-Tragic. Oblique references are made to the film Fight Club, the comedian Richard Lewis, cult classic "The Room," and Spiral Dynamics. Plus, in an act of supreme magnanimity, Layman retracts his curse and saves Marc from a fiery death...

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