# In Conversation With... Lee Jowett - Part Four: DVSA

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Published: 2025-12-24T05:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

In the fourth and final instalment of In Conversation with Lee Jowett , Terry and Lee focus squarely on the DVSA , and a proposal that has sparked debate, frustration, and deep concern across parts of the industry. At the heart of this session is a simple but uncomfortable question: How can we assess driving instructors against standards that the assessment itself makes impossible to demonstrate? Lee explains in detail why KIT’s proposal calls for a return to full one-hour Standards Checks and Part 3s , not for convenience, but because the current format fundamentally undermines the very National Standards it claims to be based on. This conversation explores: How shortened assessments inevitably prioritise “car moving” over reflection, awareness, and coaching The mismatch between DVSA guidance and DVSA assessment Why testing always shapes training, whether we like it or not How instructors are being trained away from the behaviours that actually reduce serious collisions Lee is clear: this is not about him, KIT, or ownership of an idea. It’s about aligning assessment with evidence, guidance, and decades of research into what actually creates safer drivers. There’s also a direct call to action, not blind agreement, but engagement: Read and understand the proposal Share it if you believe in it Raise questions with organisations, associations, and MPs Or, at the very least, push something that moves the industry forward Check out KIT here. 🔥 Get More Than Just Test Passes - Join the Premium Membership If you're a driving instructor who wants to teach better, earn more, and stand out from the crowd, the Premium membership is where it happens. With exclusive content you won’t find anywhere else, from expert sessions to confidence coaching, business building, and beyond, thi…

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