# A Mini-Hoon with Chloe Swarbrick about fossil fuels, housing and fiscal strategy

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Podcast: [The Hoon](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-hoon-6684157)
Published: 2026-03-12T17:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://thekaka.substack.com/p/a-mini-hoon-with-chloe-swarbrick
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## Resource

I spoke with Green Co-Leader Chloe Swarbrick last night in a Substack Live Video for over 150 subscribers about the urgent need to decarbonise & provide housing, along with challenging the bipartisan assumptions about the size of Government and Government debt to GDP — the ‘30-30’ rule. We also talked about migration policy and population growth. The full interview is above for all. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Context Setting 07:22 Fuel Crisis and Government Response 10:43 Housing Crisis and Emergency Solutions 13:20 Economic Policy and the 30-30 Rule 19:19 Debt Management and Economic Stability 24:15 Electrifying the Economy and Climate Change 27:28 Population Growth and Migration Policy Cheers Bernard This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thekaka.substack.com/subscribe

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