# Remembering The World As Lover and As Self with Joanna Macy (In Memoriam)

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Published: 2025-08-09T08:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

In memory of Joanna Macy, we offer this recording from a Seminary of the Wild gathering where she spoke with radiant clarity about living through collapse with courage and love. She outlines four ancient ways of seeing the world—battlefield, trap, lover, and self—and invites us into the radical intimacy of belonging to a living Earth as lover and self. With humor and grace, she tells a story from Cosmicomics by Italian author Italo Calvino, in which the universe begins not with a bang, but with a generous offer to make pasta. Discover Joanna's work at: joannamacy.net Work That Reconnects Network: workthatreconnects.org Cosmicomics by Italo Calvino Considering and discerning a call to be part of this new movement of ecospiritual direction? Apply today for the next cohort of the Seminary of the Wild Earth . The application deadline is August 15, 2025. Connect with the Center: Website: wildspirituality.earth Victoria's Website: victorialoorz.com Email: hello@wildspirituality.earth Linktree: linktr.ee/ctrforwildspirituality Instagram: @center_for_wild_spirituality Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 04:53 Joanna Macy begins—gratitude, interdependence, and uncertainty 11:31 Choosing how to rebuild: worldview as a tool 12:42 World as battlefield 16:38 World as trap 20:33 World as lover and world as self—belonging to a living world 24:17 The Cosmicomics story: love, pasta, and the birth of the universe 31:30 Transition from lover to self—nonduality and the ecological self 33:00 Thich Nhat Hanh on evolutionary belonging 35:00 Letting the Earth act through us—John Seed’s rainforest story 38:30 Question session on deepening into intimacy 45:41 Weekly wandering invitation: “What can I do for you?” 47:38 Closing invitation and credits

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