# 710: Iran, Immigration, & the Trouble with Certainty with Carrie McKean

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Podcast: [The Holy Post](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-holy-post-440475)
Published: 2026-03-04T11:00:00+00:00
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The U.S. launched a military strike on Iran and President Trump is framing it in moral terms. Phil, Kaitlyn, and Katelyn Beaty discuss the administration's shifting justifications for war, and why Christians should be cautious of language that makes it easier to dehumanize enemies. Then, they turn to the mass shooting in Austin and the predictable scramble to turn tragedy into political leverage. Kaitlyn interviews Carrie McKean about why distrust in public health and debates over immigration are often more complicated than our partisan categories allow. Also this week, don't take selfies with snow leopards. Holy Post Plus: Carrie McKean Bonus Interview on Covid: https://www.patreon.com/posts/152169290/ Ad-Free Version of this Episode: https://www.patreon.com/posts/152168448/ 0:00 - Show Starts 3:20 - Theme Song 3:42 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://www.betterhelp.com/HOLYPOST and get 10% off your first month! 4:44 - Sponsor - World Relief - Start a monthly partnership with World Relief to help families in crisis at https://www.worldrelief.org/holypost 5:55 - Snow Leopards 10:50 - War with Iran 17:36 - Shooting in Texas 33:16 - Wanting to Help 49:40 - Sponsor - Public Good Generation - In high school and looking to lead in faith? Check out this Summer Civics Program in Washington DC: https://ccpubliclife.org/holypost 50:52 - Sponsor - Poncho - If you've been looking for the perfect shirt—something breathable, fits great, feels even better, and stands out in a good way—give Poncho a try. Get $10 off and free shipping your first order by using this link: https://www.ponchooutdoors.com/holypost 52:03 - Sponsor - Our Place - Go to https://www.fromourplace.com and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wid…

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