# 702: Venezuela, Vanilla Ice, & the Church's Anxious Nerves with Sara Billups

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Podcast: [The Holy Post](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-holy-post-440475)
Published: 2026-01-07T11:00:00+00:00
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The new year began with a successful U.S. military operation to capture Venezuela's president. But the mission killed approximately 80 people and is being condemned by some American and international leaders as illegal. Esau McCaulley joins Phil and Skye this week to discuss the fallout from the operation. Was it legal? Was it moral? And what does it reveal about Trump's vision of America? Kaitlyn talks with author Sara Billups about her new book, "Nervous System," and how our age of anxiety is affecting Christians and the whole church. Also this week—the Trump administration celebrated the holidays with Christian memes, festive taunts, and "Ice Ice Baby." Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: https://www.patreon.com/posts/147587950/ Bonus Interview with Sarah Billups: https://www.patreon.com/posts/147498089/ 0:00 - Show Starts 2:52 - Theme Song 3:13 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://www.betterhelp.com/HOLYPOST and get 10% off your first month! 4:15 - Sponsor - Our Place - Go to https://www.fromourplace.com and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 5:23 - Christmas 7:35 - Trump Got Venezuela? 13:46 - What Does America Want to Be? 28:34 - Trump Administration's Christmas 36:10 - Optimism and America 44:50 - Sponsor - Poncho - If you've been looking for the perfect shirt—something breathable, fits great, feels even better, and stands out in a good way—give Poncho a try. Get $10 off your first order by using this link: https://www.ponchooutdoors.com/holypost 46:02 - Sponsor - Brooklyn Bedding - Use code HOLYPOST for 30% off sitewide for a great night's sleep! Go to https://www.brooklynbedding.com/holypost 47:04 - Sponsor - DripDrop - Fast hydration in 16 original fl…

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