# Be a Thermostat, Not a Thermometer: How to Be a Great Leader, with Guest John O’Sullivan, Changing the Game Project Founder - EP 421

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Podcast: [The Hockey Think Tank Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-hockey-think-tank-podcast-520176)
Published: 2026-06-15T08:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

This week Topher and Jeff talk with John O’Sullivan, founder of Changing the Game Project. O’Sullivan’s new book, “Captain: The Athlete’s Guide to Being an Exceptional Team Leader,” is designed to help athletes learn how to lead. He joins the podcast to explain that leadership is a skill that can be obtained through hard work.

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