# Stepping Back Won’t Save Us with Andrew Mclennan

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Podcast: [The Heidi St. John Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-heidi-st-john-podcast-201020)
Published: 2026-03-25T13:38:16+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heidistjohn/episodes/Stepping-Back-Wont-Save-Us-with-Andrew-Mclennan-e3guvgg
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## Resource

There’s a growing belief that if America just pulls back, we’ll somehow find peace—but history says otherwise. Today I’m talking about why retreat creates a vacuum, what fills it, and why our influence still matters. Andrew Mclennan joins me with a perspective from outside the U.S. that might just wake you up. Show mentions: http://heidistjohn.com/mentions Website | heidistjohn.com Support the show! | donorbox.org/donation-827 Rumble | rumble.com/user/HeidiStJohn Youtube | youtube.com/@HeidiStJohnPodcast Instagram | @‌heidistjohn Facebook | Heidi St. John X | @‌heidistjohn Faith That Speaks Online Community Submit your questions for Fan Mail Friday | heidistjohn.com/fanmailfriday

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