# The PM's Guide to Governance with Eric Ries, author of The Lean Startup

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Podcast: [The Growth Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-growth-podcast-6993153)
Published: 2026-07-20T22:11:52+00:00
Episode link: https://www.news.aakashg.com/p/eric-ries-incorruptible
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Check out the conversation on Apple , Spotify , and YouTube . Brought to you by * Land PM Job - 12-week experience to master getting a PM job * Jira Product Discovery - Plan with purpose, ship with confidence * Amplitude - The market-leader in product analytics * Bolt - Ship AI-powered products 10x faster * Product Faculty - Get $550 off their #1 AI PM Certification with code AAKASH550C7 ---- Today’s episode Every startup founder picks up Zero to One . Reads the chapter on Delaware C-Corps. Files the paperwork. Moves on. That paperwork will outlast every product decision they ever make. I sat down with Eric Ries, the man who created Build, Measure, Learn. NYT bestselling author of The Lean Startup . Co-founder of Answer.AI with Jeremy Howard. Founder of the Long-Term Stock Exchange. Dario Amodei called him before Anthropic’s seed round. His new book Incorruptible drops May 26. It is the blueprint for building a company that the financial system cannot capture. He also demoed live how he wrote the book using Solve It, the AI platform from Answer.AI. Not prompting. Not generating. Editing the model’s responses directly. If you are building anything you want to outlast the next funding round, this is the one episode to watch. Check out the episode on Apple Podcast and Spotify . If you want access to my AI tool stack, grab Aakash’s bundle . ---- Key Takeaways: 1. Governance has four dimensions - Compliance is table stakes. Purpose, coherence, and integrity are the three most boards ignore. Companies that nail all four outperform the market over decades.2. Financial gravity destroys good companies - The unconscious reflex to comply with the values of those who have more than you. Jim Senegal called it heroin. You compromise once and it gets baked into the forecast.3. Costco…

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