# S10, E5 In Pursuit of Knowing Hashem: Can Da’as Hashem Inspire a Movement Without Becoming a Golden Calf?

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Podcast: [The Great Sources with Rabbi Shnayor Burton](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-great-sources-with-rabbi-shnayor-burton-1203468)
Published: 2025-09-01T16:25:57+00:00
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conversation # 5 of the seriesIn this conversation, Zev and I discuss how Da’as Hashem collides with politics, and what steps must follow. 0:00 How would we design a political system supportive of Da'as Hashem? 5:00 People who appreciate what is good and right about the current order delay the Moshiach 8:00 For individuals, the most important question is Da'as Hashem; for the nation, the most important question is what systems would support Da'as Hashem 11:15 Is it possible to think about Moshiach while also appreciating and supporting the current order? 13:30 The division of labor between those who dream up new worlds and those who support the current world 17:20 What goes wrong when politicians do Torah; Abarbanel's problematic approach to monarchy 24:45 Should the political theory of Da'as Hashem utilize existing political theory? 29:15 The nation of Israel is where political theory breaks down 36:00 What's the next move for the Da'as Hashem movement? 44:00 Can we make Hashemists? 47:45 The last time Da’as Hashem went political, it became a Golden Calf 52:30 Why we can't sell Da'as Hashem 55:00 Prophet school 1:03:00 The secret society that will meddle in world affairs to advance Da'as Hashem 1:15:15 Why there is no Sanhedrin, Beis Hamikdash, or Korbanos 1:19:00 The need for working out the political theory of Da'as Hashem 1:23:00 The newsletter required for developing the political theory of Da'as Hashem 1:26:00 To change the world, explain to them what you're capable of explaining

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