# #130 - The Two Greatest Living Psychedelic Scientists Discuss The Insane Future Of Drugs

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Podcast: [Giants Shoulder](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-giants-shoulder-6943930)
Published: 2026-06-18T15:48:00+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/evanmcgloughlin/episodes/130---The-Two-Greatest-Living-Psychedelic-Scientists-Discuss-The-Insane-Future-Of-Drugs-e3ktuqh
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Get One Month Free of Consensus (The Best Ai Science Tool): https://get.consensus.app/we00d2cmjpqe Get Muse EEG Headband (15% off): https://choosemuse.com/giantsshoulder Want a full breakdown of your own conscious inner experience? Join the Giant's Shoulder community: https://www.skool.com/the-giants-shoulder-6526/about David Nichols is the chemist who made the molecules behind the entire psychedelic renaissance; Bryan Roth is the pharmacologist who cracked how those drugs actually work inside the brain. Together they reveal how little we still understand about the compounds now entering mainstream medicine — and how the same technology could, in Roth's own words, build a literal zombie apocalypse. Expect to learn why the word "psychedelic" could once kill a research grant, how Nichols hand-made the MDMA, DMT and psilocybin behind the field's most famous trials, what profiling 41 psychedelics against 318 receptors actually revealed, why we still don't know what half of those receptors even do, whether the trip itself is the medicine or a side effect that can be engineered away, why a twitching mouse is the most reliable predictor of a human trip, how Roth's "remote control for neurons" could rewrite memory, pain and aggression, and much more… Timestamps 0:00:00 Trailer 3:22 Two Godfathers of Psychedelics, Together 4:03 The Man Who Made the Molecules by Hand 7:34 How Roth Fell Into Serotonin by Accident 16:46 When "Psychedelic" Was a Forbidden Word 20:18 318 Receptors, 41 Psychedelics: The Big Paper 31:18 Nobody Knows What Half These Receptors Do 35:46 How Nixon's Drug War Killed the Science 46:06 The LSD in the Famous Structure Was Dave's 55:52 1.4 Kilos of MDMA for $4,000 57:29 The Psilocybin That Stunned Johns Hopkins 1:00:19 The Real-Li…

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