# #100 Meet The Scientist Who Wrote the Blueprint for Conscious Machines

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Published: 2026-03-05T02:55:15+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/evanmcgloughlin/episodes/100-Meet-The-Scientist-Who-Wrote-the-Blueprint-for-Conscious-Machines-e3ftq15
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Dr. Michael Timothy Bennett is an award-winning AI researcher at the Australian National University and author of "How to Build Conscious Machines" — a mathematical blueprint for why anything is conscious and what it would take to engineer a machine that truly experiences the world. Expect to learn why information processing feels like anything at all, how consciousness is built from a hierarchy of selves, why a fly has experience but a slime mold does not, why current AI is fundamentally incapable of consciousness, how cancer is an alignment problem between cells, what building a conscious machine actually requires, and much more …Timestamps: 00:00 Why Does Information Processing Feel Like Anything? 01:05 The Cosmic Ord: How the Universe Deletes What Doesn't Work 03:59 Where is the Line Between Non-Conscious and Conscious? 05:53 Multi-Scale Competency: Cells, Organs, Organisms, Ecosystems 07:43 The First Order Self: Phenomenal Consciousness Explained 08:27 Access Consciousness: Predicting Your Prediction of Me 13:04 When Do Enough Abstraction Layers Produce Experience? 18:40 Liquid Brains vs Solid Brains: Ant Colonies and Human Networks 21:03 Bioelectricity: How Cells Signal and Cooperate 24:03 Human-AI Hybrids: Prosthetic, Cooperative and Integrated 30:30 Is There a Bottom to the Abstraction Stack? 37:07 Why a Single Thread CPU Will Never Feel Anything 40:56 Feeling Pain vs Knowing You Feel Pain 42:52 Do Dogs Model Your Mind? 46:58 The Paper He Wrote as a Joke That Won Best Student Prize 48:11 Cancer as a Breakdown in Cellular Cooperation 53:22 Why Elephants Don't Get Cancer and What That Means for AI 56:47 How Do You Actually Build a Conscious Machine? 01:01:36 Does a Tesla Robot Have Grounding? 01:04:17 Should We Build Conscious Machines? 01:06:46 If You…

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