# Outspoken: Why the Declaration and individual liberty remains essential

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Podcast: [The Gaggle: An Arizona politics podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-gaggle-an-arizona-politics-podcast-1119050)
Published: 2026-06-16T12:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

At the Goldwater Institute in Phoenix, the word "liberty" has a very specific meaning: the individual’s right to make the key choices in his or her own life without interference from the state. Timothy Sandefur, the institute’s vice president for legal affairs, is one of the clearest contemporary defenders of that vision. In this Outspoken conversation, we asked him how that understanding of liberty connects back to the Declaration of Independence — and where he thinks the country has drifted away from what Jefferson and his contemporaries had in mind. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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