# Outspoken: How Indigenous people influenced the Founding Fathers Page: https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-gaggle-an-arizona-politics-podcast-1119050/outspoken-how-indigenous-people-influenced-the-founding-fathers Text version: https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-gaggle-an-arizona-politics-podcast-1119050/outspoken-how-indigenous-people-influenced-the-founding-fathers.md Podcast: [The Gaggle: An Arizona politics podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-gaggle-an-arizona-politics-podcast-1119050) Published: 2026-06-12T12:00:00+00:00 Episode link: https://traffic.megaphone.fm/AZUSA8119451647.mp3 Audio file: https://traffic.megaphone.fm/AZUSA8119451647.mp3 Processing state: not_requested JSON: https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-gaggle-an-arizona-politics-podcast-1119050/episodes/outspoken-how-indigenous-people-influenced-the-founding-fathers Duration seconds: 1055 ## Resource In grievance 27 of the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson denounces β€œthe merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare is the undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.” For Native nations, those words were more than rhetoric; they helped license a policy of removal and erasure that would define the next century of U.S. expansion. In this Outspoken conversation, we ask historian Donald Grinde Jr. how that clause shaped American attitudes toward Native peoples and what the founders also learned, and borrowed, from Indigenous governments. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices ## Actions - request_transcript: `POST https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-gaggle-an-arizona-politics-podcast-1119050/episodes/outspoken-how-indigenous-people-influenced-the-founding-fathers/transcription-requests` β€” Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode. - read_markdown: `GET https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-gaggle-an-arizona-politics-podcast-1119050/outspoken-how-indigenous-people-influenced-the-founding-fathers.md` β€” Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource. A page view does not enqueue transcription. Agents should invoke `request_transcript` explicitly when they need this episode processed. ## Transcript Full transcripts are not published on public pages unless there is a clear rights basis.