# Occupancy first, ADR second: revenue management for independents

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Podcast: [The Future of Hospitality](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-future-of-hospitality-7482768)
Published: 2026-06-22T16:16:25+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/alon-shkuri/episodes/Occupancy-first--ADR-second-revenue-management-for-independents-e3l4m46
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## Resource

Revenue managers do not set the price. The guest does, and the rate is just where you move up or down. Learn how independent hotels run occupancy, distribution, and forecasting without a brand playbook handed to them. In this episode Tim Boersma interviews Rogier Ensel, owner of RevGen and former group revenue director at Cycas, on revenue management for unbranded properties. - Run occupancy first and let ADR follow as the measurement up or down - Avoid the parity trap you build yourself with Genius and resold discounts - Start forecasting small: fill in one day, look back, and do it again - Treat pricing as risk management, not a number you decide alone A practical playbook for owners and revenue managers pushing margin on their own terms. Follow The Future of Hospitality for weekly insights into hospitality, hotels, and guest experience. Disclaimer: This podcast shares stories, experiences, and opinions from hosts and guests. They are personal perspectives only and not statements of fact or official advice from The Future of Hospitality

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