# 15. Swimming robots and walking fish: Day 2 at the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology

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Published: 2025-11-15T09:05:00+00:00
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New fossil discoveries keep coming thick and fast, but we managed to sit down with the researchers as they present them. In this episode Susie and Rob catch up (in person!) on their second day in Birmingham and talk to the researchers tackling important transitions in vertebrate evolution: the transitions of moving onto land, into the sea, into the air. This includes Emily Hillan of University of Chicago and her discovery of a new specimen of the walking fish (?) Tiktaalik, Dave Hone of Queen Mary University London on his new research on pterosaurs and spinosaurs, Dean Lomax about his new research on ichthyosaurs and his latest book, and Luke Muscutt of Imperial on his swimming plesiosaur robot.

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