# Robert D. Kaplan on a World Getting Darker (Members Only #320)

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Podcast: [The Fifth Column](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-fifth-column-1025117)
Published: 2026-05-12T11:03:22+00:00
Episode link: https://www.wethefifth.com/p/robert-d-kaplan-on-a-world-getting
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This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.wethefifth.com His next book, China Whisperers (out in November), looks at the diplomats, journalists, scholars, and China hands who shaped America’s understanding, and misunderstanding, of its chief geopolitical rival. But we pretty much cover the entire globe in this conversation. -The experts had it coming -Federalists, anti-federalists, and America’s oldest argument …

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