# Even as agencies try to bring in new talent, a lot of current employees are making tough decisions about pay, retirement, and whether to stay

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Podcast: [The Federal Drive with Terry Gerton](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-federal-drive-with-terry-gerton-504783)
Published: 2026-05-28T11:00:00+00:00
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Budget uncertainty, pay debates, and retirement delays are shaping real decisions for federal workers right now. That’s affecting whether people stay, leave, or retire—and how stable the workforce feels day to day. John Hatton, staff vice president at NARFE, joins us to explain what’s driving those challenges and what they mean for the workforce. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info .

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