# The Oldest Technology for Changing Minds

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Podcast: [The Expert Method](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-expert-method-7602465)
Published: 2026-05-12T15:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Check out the Program Execution System Toolkit: https://implementgpts.com/pestoolkit =============== In this episode, I sit down with Neal Foard to talk about one of the oldest and most powerful tools humans have ever used to teach, persuade, connect, and create change: storytelling. Neal makes the case that stories are not just a communication tactic. They are the human operating system. They help us remember ideas, feel their meaning, repeat them to others, and actually change how we see the world. We get into why bullet points rarely move people the way stories do, how leaders use stories to build culture, why kindness has a real return on investment, and how the best communicators make people feel something before they ask them to believe something. This conversation also explores how storytelling shows up in business, leadership, trust, meetings, marketing, personal relationships, and the way we treat strangers in everyday life. Neal shares story after story that makes the same point from different angles: if you want an idea to live beyond the moment you say it, wrap it in a story. We also talk about why most people struggle to become better storytellers, why rehearsal matters, and why getting over the cringe is part of the work. If you are a founder, coach, consultant, speaker, author, creator, or expert trying to make your ideas more useful and memorable, this episode will give you a deeper way to think about communication. =============== Neal’s Links: - Website: https://www.nealfoard.com/ - LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/neal-foard/3/740/372 - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nealfoard/ - Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nealfoard - YT Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@nealfoard Check out Storyfire: https://www.storyfire.net/ =============== - My Li…

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