# Climate Optimism and Pragmatic Action with Author and Microsoft Sustainability Leader Charlie Sellars

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Podcast: [The Environmental Transformation Podcast with Sean Grady](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-environmental-transformation-podcast-with-sean-grady-1268558)
Published: 2025-12-09T12:35:21+00:00
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## Resource

On the Environmental Transformation Podcast, host Sean Grady talks with Charlie Sellars , author of “What We Can Do, a Climate Optimist Guide to Sustainable Living” and a director of sustainability at Microsoft. Topics include: • Why “crisis language” can burn people out, and how Sellars frames “pragmatic” climate optimism. (“crisis language kind of burns people out”; “The optimism language is a pragmatic language.”) • Carbon accounting basics and early carbon footprint labels in food. (“we’re kind of at day one of carbon accounting”; “Sweet Green will actually put the, uh, carbon footprint of your meal”) • Life cycle assessment and the “make it, move it, use it, lose it” framework. (“It’s called lifecycle assessment”; “make it, move it, use it, lose it framework.”) • Right to repair, product longevity, and the power of buying signals and reviews. (“right to repair movement”; “voting with their, uh, their wallets”; “leaving a positive review”) • Clean energy debates on nuclear, solar barriers, and how AI is driving data center energy demand. (“discouraging nuclear power generation”; “preventing people and companies from installing solar panels”; “what they’re used for is now ai”; “AI obviously takes a lot of energy.”)

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