# Leading effectively across company archetypes: product, business and design-led leadership w/ Sebastiano Armeli #253

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Podcast: [The Engineering Leadership Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-engineering-leadership-podcast-743839)
Published: 2026-03-31T16:15:03+00:00
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## Resource

We discuss what effective leadership looks like across three organizational archetypes: product-led, business-led, and design-led companies with Sebastiano Armeli (Engineering Leadership @ Meta). Drawing from his leadership journey at places like Meta, Spotify, Snap, and PayPal, Sebastiano deconstructs the situational leadership frameworks required to thrive in different environments. Plus we discuss how AI is moving managers from implementation to architecture, why the next bottleneck is managing the overhead of high-velocity experimentation, and the future of team topology where AI enables a single leader to oversee high-scale teams of 30–50 people. Whether you are scaling a design-driven startup or navigating a complex business-led enterprise, this conversation provides a framework for aligning your leadership style with your organization's core incentives.

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