# Writing History from Below W/ On Our Own Authority Modibo Kadalie & Andrew Zonneveld Part 1/2

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Podcast: [The Dugout | a Black anarchist podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-dugout-a-black-anarchist-podcast-6944129)
Published: 2026-07-18T04:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

What does it take to build revolutionary institutions that last? In Part 1 of this interview, we’re joined by Andrew and Modibo of On Our Own Authority , a radical publishing collective and community bookstore in metro Atlanta. Together, we discuss the politics of publishing, preserving movement history, and creating spaces where revolutionary ideas can be studied, debated, and put into practice. The conversation explores Black radical traditions, oral history, direct democracy, social ecology, independent bookstores, and why movements need physical spaces that outlive social media and political trends. Along the way, we reflect on writing history from below, the role of archives in liberation struggles, and what it means to build intellectual and cultural infrastructure rooted in collective power rather than hierarchy. 01:26 Intro 05:14 what was a young you like 10:51 Origins of The Dugout 14:13 How does the Dugout see our work being preserved or impactful 17:53 what have you learned through the process of having a bookstore 29:36 how has your approach to publishing evolved? 35:57 what key changed have you made to make model ore sustainable 10:46 Atlanta Radical Book fair 44:57 what does de-centering heroes in history look like? Community Books https://community-books.com/ Support Community Books on Patreon On Our Own Authority https://on-our-own-authority-publishing.square.site/ www.oooabooks.org --------------------------------------------- Stay connected with The Dugout ! Follow us for updates, exclusive content, and more: 🔗 OUR WEBSITE: https://www.thedugoutpodcast.com/ 🔗 ⁠ Instagram ⁠ : ⁠ https://www.instagram.com/dugoutpodcast/⁠ 🔗 ⁠ Substack ⁠ : ⁠ https://tdugout.substack.com/⁠ 🔗 ⁠ YouTube ⁠ : ⁠ https://www.youtube.com/@thedugoutpod⁠ 🔗 ⁠ Patreon ⁠ : ⁠ https://ww…

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