# 709: Philip Schultz!

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Podcast: [The Drunken Odyssey with John King: A Podcast About the Writing Life](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-drunken-odyssey-with-john-king-a-podcast-about-the-writing-life-1080856)
Published: 2026-03-28T18:26:00+00:00
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## Resource

In this week's show, John speaks with the poet Philip Schultz about his wonderful new poetry collection, Enormous Morning . We discuss the self-critical voices that Philip calls the shit-bird, how personas can empower us to become more of ourselves, and the ironies of finding gratitude in our depression in observing how the world tears itself apart.

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