# #1259 Sarah Stein Lubrano: Why Political Debate Does Not Work Page: https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-dissenter-1161217/1259-sarah-stein-lubrano-why-political-debate-does-not-work Text version: https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-dissenter-1161217/1259-sarah-stein-lubrano-why-political-debate-does-not-work.md Podcast: [The Dissenter](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-dissenter-1161217) Published: 2026-05-28T18:00:00+00:00 Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thedissenter/episodes/1259-Sarah-Stein-Lubrano-Why-Political-Debate-Does-Not-Work-e3jhq36 Audio file: https://anchor.fm/s/822ba20/podcast/play/120170022/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-4-18%2Ff113da4a-9192-e815-efe0-fad1f794bd62.m4a Processing state: not_requested JSON: https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-dissenter-1161217/episodes/1259-sarah-stein-lubrano-why-political-debate-does-not-work Duration seconds: 2969 ## Resource ******Support the channel****** Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thedissenter PayPal: paypal.me/thedissenter PayPal Subscription 1 Dollar: https://tinyurl.com/yb3acuuy PayPal Subscription 3 Dollars: https://tinyurl.com/ybn6bg9l PayPal Subscription 5 Dollars: https://tinyurl.com/ycmr9gpz PayPal Subscription 10 Dollars: https://tinyurl.com/y9r3fc9m PayPal Subscription 20 Dollars: https://tinyurl.com/y95uvkao ******Follow me on****** Website: https://www.thedissenter.net/ The Dissenter Goodreads list: https://shorturl.at/7BMoB Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thedissenteryt/ Twitter: https://x.com/TheDissenterYT This show is sponsored by Enlites, Learning & Development done differently. Check the website here: http://enlites.com/ Dr. Sarah Stein Lubrano is a writer, content strategist, and researcher. Her writing focuses on social and political life and its relationship to psychology. She is also Head of Research for The Future Narratives Lab, where their work focuses on narratives about social and political change. She is the author of Don't Talk About Politics: How to Change 21st-Century Minds. In this episode, we talk about Don't Talk About Politics. We discuss why political debates do not change people’s minds, and why the “marketplace of ideas” does not work. We talk about how people really change their political ideas, with a focus on their material conditions, their social relationships, and their actions. We talk about political polarization, andwhat has driven the rise in social atrophy over the past 15 years. We discuss the role of social media, and solutions to how we interact with other people for us to be able to reason better about politics. Finally, we talk about whether we can replace the liberal ideal of the “marketplace of ideas”. -- A HUGE THANK Y… ## Actions - request_transcript: `POST https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-dissenter-1161217/episodes/1259-sarah-stein-lubrano-why-political-debate-does-not-work/transcription-requests` — Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode. - read_markdown: `GET https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-dissenter-1161217/1259-sarah-stein-lubrano-why-political-debate-does-not-work.md` — Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource. A page view does not enqueue transcription. Agents should invoke `request_transcript` explicitly when they need this episode processed. ## Transcript Full transcripts are not published on public pages unless there is a clear rights basis.