# Spelling to Communicate as a Civil Right

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Podcast: [The David Kaufer Podcast: The Lighter Side of the Spectrum](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-david-kaufer-podcast-the-lighter-side-of-the-spectrum-7096940)
Published: 2026-02-11T13:33:52+00:00
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## Resource

David dives into the controversial message passing test promoted by ASHA, which has significant implications for non-speakers on the autism spectrum. Joined by producer and attorney Dave Yas, they explore the civil rights violations and legal inconsistencies associated with this test. The episode emphasizes the need for a paradigm shift in recognizing effective communication methods for those with non-speaking autism. Listeners are encouraged to join the fight for better, more inclusive communication standards. Topics 00:55 Today's Special Topic: Autism Communication and Civil Rights 01:31 Introducing Dave Yas: Attorney and Autism Advocate 04:16 The Message Passing Test: An Overview 09:39 Critique of the Message Passing Test 17:33 ASHA's Position and Its Implications 20:59 The Broader Impact on Non-Speakers 27:06 Addressing Childcare Center Accusations 27:39 Ensuring Communication Integrity 29:00 Protecting Vulnerable Populations 30:14 Constitutional and Civil Rights Violations 30:36 Procedural Due Process Explained 32:14 First Amendment Rights and Freedom of Speech 33:10 ADA and Reasonable Accommodations 35:31 Equal Protection Clause 37:40 Organizational Liability of ASHA 44:26 Personal Experience with Spelling to Communicate 50:22 Challenging the Message Passing Test 52:17 Call to Action for Advocacy

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