# Cyber wars: a Prime Minister's perspective, with Malcolm Turnbull

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Podcast: [The Cyber Brief](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-cyber-brief-7560204)
Published: 2026-04-20T05:24:39+00:00
Episode link: https://thecyberbrief.podbean.com/e/cyber-wars-a-prime-ministers-perspective-with-malcolm-turnbull/
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## Resource

Former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull joins Valeska and co-host Dominic Anderson for the first of a two-part discussion about cybersecurity as national security in Australia. As the 29th Prime Minister of Australia, a former lawyer, technologist, and now backer of some of the most interesting cyber companies worldwide, Malcolm brings a perspective on cybersecurity shaped by experience on every side of the problem. In this episode, Malcolm shares his views on Australia's cyber strategy, offensive cyber capabilities, escalation risk in cyber conflict, the future of Five Eyes cooperation, and whether Australia can build a genuinely sovereign cyber capability. Resources from this episode: National security at Allens

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