# Nicole Sachs on The Jordan Harbinger Show: Chronic Pain, MindBody Healing, and the Questions Skeptics Are Right to Ask

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Podcast: [The Cure for Chronic Pain with Nicole Sachs, LCSW](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-cure-for-chronic-pain-with-nicole-sachs-lcsw-487645)
Published: 2026-06-05T08:11:00+00:00
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LEARN HOW TO JOURNALSPEAK This week’s episode is a little different than usual. I’m sharing my conversation with Jordan Harbinger from The Jordan Harbinger Show, where Jordan invited me into a thoughtful, curious, and respectful conversation about chronic pain, mind-body medicine, and the work I have spent my life teaching. What I loved most about this interview is that Jordan approached it the way so many people do when they first encounter this paradigm: interested, intelligent, and not willing to simply accept an idea without understanding it. That kind of skepticism is not a problem for me. In many ways, it is the perfect doorway into the work. In this conversation, we talk about what it really means when the brain and nervous system are involved in chronic symptoms, and why that never means the pain is fake, imagined, or “all in your head.” We explore how the body can become an expression of what the human being has not been able to process, and how chronic fight-or-flight can keep people stuck in very real pain, fatigue, anxiety, and other symptoms long after the original danger has passed. I also explain why belief matters, why doing the emotional work matters, and why patience and kindness for yourself are not soft add-ons, but central pieces of recovery. Jordan asks the questions many skeptical listeners might be thinking: How can pain be real if nothing is structurally wrong? How do emotions create physical symptoms? What does someone actually do with this information once they begin to understand it? These are the questions that make this conversation so valuable, whether you are brand new to this work, trying to explain it to someone you love, or deep into your own healing and wanting a clearer, more grounded way to understand what is happening in your body…

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