# 152 S11 Ep 10 – Drone vs Counter-Drone Fight of the Modern Battlefield w/JRTC OPFOR & COL(R) Bill Edwards

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Podcast: [The Crucible - The JRTC Experience Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-crucible-the-jrtc-experience-podcast-6038857)
Published: 2026-05-02T03:58:11+00:00
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## Resource

The Joint Readiness Training Center is pleased to present the one-hundredth-and-fifty-second episode to air on ‘The Crucible - The JRTC Experience.’ Hosted by LTC Trevor Jones, the Battalion Commander of 1-509th IN (OPFOR), known as Geronimo, on behalf of the Commander of Operations Group. Today’s guests are subject matter experts on drone warfare: LTC Michael Roscoe, COL(Retired) Bill Edwards, CW2 Brendan Henske, LTC(R) Mark Leslie, and CPT Christopher Chelson. LTC Roscoe is the Tactical Analysis, Communications, and Simulations Support (TACSS) Chief. COL(R) Edwards is the Director of Counter-Unmanned Aircraft System Operations for ENSCO. And CW2 Henske is the Senior UAS Operations Planner for Plans / Exercise Maneuver Control (Task Force Zulu). LTC(R) Leslie is the Director of the Directorate of Plans, Training, Mobilization, & Security (DPTMS) for Fort Polk. CPT Chelson is the Innovation Officer within the Multi-Domain Effects Cell for Geronimo. This episode explores the rapid evolution of drone warfare, framing it as a true revolution in military affairs and focusing on the dynamic competition between UAS employment and counter-UAS (C-UAS) responses. The discussion highlights how modern conflicts—especially Ukraine—have accelerated innovation, compressing the kill chain and making drones persistent across the battlefield for reconnaissance, targeting, and strike. Units are now facing a layered threat that includes ISR drones, one-way attack systems, and emerging capabilities like fiber-optic controlled UAS that are resistant to traditional electronic warfare. As a result, the battlefield has become increasingly transparent, forcing formations to adapt their tactics, survivability measures, and signature management just to operate. The conversation then shifts t…

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