# Energy Is the Invisible Infrastructure of Freedom - David Fishman explains

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Published: 2025-09-26T13:28:33+00:00
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## Resource

What does energy have to do with freedom? More than you might think. We sat down with David Fishman , an American who is a longtime China resident, energy consultant, and writer of Crossing the River by Feeling the Stones . David has spent over a decade inside China’s transformation, advising multinationals on nuclear, renewables, and grid economics - while also telling the stories of ordinary people navigating those changes. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit podcast.thecoveredcallpod.com

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