# Why NATO’s chief thinks Trump was right (with Mark Rutte)

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Podcast: [The Conversation with Dasha Burns](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-conversation-with-dasha-burns-642858)
Published: 2026-07-10T09:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

At the 2026 NATO Summit in Ankara, Secretary General Mark Rutte joins Dasha to discuss NATO's historic defense spending overhaul, Russia's war in Ukraine, Greenland, President Trump's demands of the alliance, and whether NATO can withstand growing questions about America's future role in European security. Plus, POLITICO’s diplomatic correspondent Felicia Schwartz and defense reporter Jack Detsch give their takeaways from the summit.  Have thoughts for the show? Text or leave us a voicemail at 202-643-1536.

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