# The Conversation: Medicaid abuse, Swimming the Molokaʻi Channel

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Podcast: [The Conversation](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-conversation-1633867)
Published: 2026-06-08T21:24:14+00:00
Episode link: https://www.hawaiipublicradio.org/podcast/the-conversation/2026-06-08/the-conversation-medicaid-abuse-swimming-the-molokai-channel
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## Resource

DHS Director Joseph Campos II speaks about the new strike force organized to tackle Medicaid fraud and abuse; author Jonathan Ezer recounts his time swimming the Kaiwi Channel.

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