# How a Controversial Spying Tool and Trump's Pick for DNI Create a National Security Risk

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Podcast: [The Contrarian Pod](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-contrarian-pod-7410561)
Published: 2026-06-19T20:30:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.contrariannews.org/p/how-a-controversial-spying-tool-and
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Duration seconds: 749

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Earlier this week, Contrarian publisher Norm Eisen sat down with Senator Mark Warner from Virginia. They talked about how Trump’s pivot to a sycophantic, unqualified nominee for Director of National Intelligence puts national security at risk. The Contrarian is owned by nobody. Your paid subscription helps us bring you the brightest voices in politics & culture and fight every day against the Trump chaos machine. Join us on Substack . This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.contrariannews.org/subscribe

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