# Making Sense: Interview with Deborah Osborne

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Podcast: [The Collators](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-collators-7459521)
Published: 2026-02-19T19:02:00+00:00
Episode link: https://thecollators.com/s2e4
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Mark and Howard are joined by Deborah Osborne. R etired intelligence analyst and educator whose career spans the Buffalo Police Department and the U.S. Secret Service. A wide-ranging conversation about what analysis actually is, why the profession so often struggles to define itself, and what "good" looks like in practice. Debbie's journey into the craft is anything but linear (she didn't become an analyst until her forties), and that outside perspective shapes a sharp critique of how the role is taught, labeled, and valued.

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