# Challenge Everything - AI, Raves and Nuclear Subs - Interview with Mike Hawkes, digital inventor.

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Podcast: [The Collators](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-collators-7459521)
Published: 2025-11-19T00:44:00+00:00
Episode link: https://thecollators.com/s1e11
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From Tandy Radioshack to nuclear submarines, this episode traces an extraordinary journey through the intersections of technology, curiosity, and courage. Mark and Howard talk with Mike Hawkes, a technologist, inventor, and pioneer of secure digital systems whose career began in fixing computers in a local store and ended up influencing the security architecture behind global online transactions that we all use. This is a very human story, with ebbs and flows of good and bad. Innovation, hard work and opportunity, but also cybercrime, litigation and loss. Shownotes, transcript and more at https://thecollators.com

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