# Nathan Goes to China #3: US-China Relations, the Art of the AI Deal & the Road to Pax Robotica

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Published: 2026-09-10T20:15:44+00:00
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In this solo finale to his three-part series following two weeks in China, Nathan delivers a net assessment of Chinese AI capabilities and constraints ahead of dedicated US-China bilateral AI talks. He audits the impact of export controls, analyzes the perspective from Beijing, and outlines an actionable framework for a cooperative Pax Robotica. Nathan argues for joint compute initiatives, safety auditor standards, and conventions on autonomous weapons to keep tech trees entangled. Ultimately, he warns that pursuing an adversarial zero-sum race risks training frontier AI systems for conflict rather than the shared benefit of humanity. For full show notes, links, and references, read the episode page:https://www.cognitiverevolution.ai/nathan-goes-to-china-3-us-china-relations-the-art-of-the-ai-deal-the-road-to-pax-robotica/ Sponsors: Deepgram Flux TTS: Deepgram Flux TTS is a streaming text-to-speech model built for voice agents with natural tone, context awareness, and interruption handling. Try it free until September 12 at https://deepgram.com/keep-talking Claude: Claude is the AI collaborator for problem solvers, helping with writing, coding, financial models, strategy, and more. Get started with Claude and explore Claude Pro at https://claude.ai/tcr CHAPTERS: (00:00) About the Episode (06:11) Episode intro and recap (08:56) The Pax Machina goal (12:32) The Anthropic worldview (Part 1) (16:50) Sponsors: Deepgram Flux TTS | Claude (18:55) The Anthropic worldview (Part 2) (18:56) Net assessment of China (32:26) China's eternal 1991 (44:03) History of Chinese AI (54:34) China's domestic constraints (01:07:09) Century of humiliation narrative (01:27:01) Signs of Chinese cooperation (01:42:38) American state capacity lessons (02:05:39) Evaluating AI export controls (02:27…

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