# Purgatorio with Heidi White

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Podcast: [The Classical Mind](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-classical-mind-5634653)
Published: 2026-04-28T13:20:27+00:00
Episode link: https://www.theclassicalmind.com/p/purgatorio-with-heidi-white
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## Resource

In this episode of The Classical Mind , Fr. Wesley Walker and Dr. Junius Johnson welcome back Heidi White to explore the middle canticle of Dante’s Divine Comedy , the Purgatorio . Is Purgatory “cosmic extra innings” or a “cosmic decontamination chamber” for the saved? How do Inferno and Purgatorio differ? Give a listen as Heidi, Junius, and Wesley discuss the moral and structural architecture of Mount Purgatory, specifically the “Order of Love” ( ordo amoris ) that governs the seven terraces and how Dante organizes the capital vices. Endnotes: Heidi: The Great Divorce by C.S. Lewis Junius: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader by C.S. Lewis Wesley: “Ash Wednesday” by T.S. Eliot I Because I do not hope to turn again Because I do not hope Because I do not hope to turn Desiring this man's gift and that man's scope I no longer strive to strive towards such things (Why should the agèd eagle stretch its wings?) Why should I mourn The vanished power of the usual reign? Because I do not hope to know The infirm glory of the positive hour Because I do not think Because I know I shall not know The one veritable transitory power Because I cannot drink There, where trees flower, and springs flow, for there is nothing again Because I know that time is always time And place is always and only place And what is actual is actual only for one time And only for one place I rejoice that things are as they are and I renounce the blessèd face And renounce the voice Because I cannot hope to turn again Consequently I rejoice, having to construct something Upon which to rejoice And pray to God to have mercy upon us And pray that I may forget These matters that with myself I too much discuss Too much explain Because I do not hope to turn again Let these words answer For what is done, not to be done a…

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