# 15 The Two Intruders | We talk to Irma’s grandson

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Podcast: [The Case Of](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-case-of-6842706)
Published: 2026-05-07T05:00:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 1758

## Resource

In all the trials we've covered, we've never heard directly from a victim or their family. This episode we change that. Irma Palasics's grandson, John Mikita, joins the pod to reveal his thoughts on the verdict, and describe the Irma and Gregor Palasics he knew and loved. The Case Of is the follow-up to the hit podcast Mushroom Case Daily, and all episodes of that show will remain available in the back catalogue of The Case Of.

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