# CNLP 786 | Craig Groeschel and His Therapist Join the Show: What Happens When a Leader Hits a Breaking Point Page: https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-carey-nieuwhof-leadership-podcast-2463234/cnlp-786-craig-groeschel-and-his-therapist-join-the-show-what-happens-when-a-leader-hits-a-breaking-point Text version: https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-carey-nieuwhof-leadership-podcast-2463234/cnlp-786-craig-groeschel-and-his-therapist-join-the-show-what-happens-when-a-leader-hits-a-breaking-point.md Podcast: [The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-carey-nieuwhof-leadership-podcast-2463234) Published: 2026-02-17T10:05:00+00:00 Episode link: https://careynieuwhof.libsyn.com/cnlp-786-craig-groeschel-and-his-therapist-join-the-show-what-happens-when-a-leader-hits-a-breaking-point Audio file: https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/careynieuwhof/CNLP_786_With_Craig-GroeschelDr.Wayne-Chappelle.mp3?dest-id=125406 Processing state: not_requested JSON: https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-carey-nieuwhof-leadership-podcast-2463234/episodes/cnlp-786-craig-groeschel-and-his-therapist-join-the-show-what-happens-when-a-leader-hits-a-breaking-point Duration seconds: 4339 ## Resource Life.Church Senior Pastor Craig Groeschel and his therapist, Dr. Wayne Chappelle, join Carey to talk about a wall Craig hit in ministry, that he thought might k*ll him. They discuss what was at stake, how he got through it, what happens to leaders who don't take action, and how Craig recovered fully from what almost took him out. ๐Ÿ”— Show Notes ๐Ÿ“ฉ On The Rise Newsletter ๐Ÿ—ฃ๏ธ Preaching Cheat Sheet ๐Ÿง  The Art of Leadership Academy ๐ŸŽฅ Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork โ—๏ธConnect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life. Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes FUND THE FUTURE MASTERCLASS Craig and I created Fund the Future Masterclass โ€” a course built to help you move beyond transactional conversations about money and into a transformational culture of generosity. If you want to grow in a way that lasts, visit careynieuwhof.com/fundthefuture. CHURCH LAW & TAX Church Law & Tax is a trusted online resource that equips pastors and church leaders with expert guidance on legal, tax, and other compliance issues churches face every day. Sign up for their free weekly newsletter at ChurchLawAndTax.com . ONE ACCORD OneAccord is an AI-based translation platform designed exclusively for the local church. With over 50 languages available, their subscription plans start at $150 a month. Our listeners get a free trial at oneaccord.ai/carey ! Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network ## Actions - request_transcript: `POST https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/the-carey-nieuwhof-leadership-podcast-2463234/episodes/cnlp-786-craig-groeschel-and-his-therapist-join-the-show-what-happens-when-a-leader-hits-a-breaking-point/transcription-requests` โ€” Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode. - read_markdown: `GET https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-carey-nieuwhof-leadership-podcast-2463234/cnlp-786-craig-groeschel-and-his-therapist-join-the-show-what-happens-when-a-leader-hits-a-breaking-point.md` โ€” Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource. A page view does not enqueue transcription. Agents should invoke `request_transcript` explicitly when they need this episode processed. ## Transcript Full transcripts are not published on public pages unless there is a clear rights basis.