# CNLP 782 | The Problem of Mini-Celebrity Pastors: Les McKeown on Growth Barriers for Church Leaders

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Podcast: [The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-carey-nieuwhof-leadership-podcast-2463234)
Published: 2026-01-29T10:05:00+00:00
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Duration seconds: 6027

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Leadership expert Les McKeown talks about the rise of mini-celebrity pastors, the limits that places on church growth and team development, and how to overcome the growth barriers you're facing as church leaders. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life. Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes STATE OF THE CHURCH Learn more about the State of the Church and stay up to date on the latest data at stateofthechurch.com/Carey CHURCH LAW & TAX For nearly 40 years, the online Church & Clergy Tax Guide has been the go-to resource U.S. pastors trust to handle taxes with confidence. It's updated with the latest changes—including how to navigate the One Big Beautiful Bill Act—and now you can even ask Richie, their new AI assistant, to explain how it applies to your church WITHOUT the legal or tax jargon. Go to ChurchLawAndTax.com/carey to become a member and access the guide today. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

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