# Sarah Longwell and Bill Kristol: We're Governed by Broken Men

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Published: 2026-07-20T19:59:44+00:00
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This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.thebulwark.com Trump tried to steal the limelight and the valor of Spain at the World Cup, even as more troops died overseas; Stephen Miller regularly encourages ICE to be violent while Pete Hegseth pushes soldiers to be macho bullies. The leaders in this country are men with no center and no core. Now with the arrest of the Tate brothers in Miami, Trump gets a chance to extend his record of standing by sex pests and assaulters. Plus: Iran and the U.S. are dangerously escalating the war, ICE is going even more rogue, Maine Dems have a replacement for Platner, and generic ballot polling suggests voters aren't necessarily gravitating to Democrats—and the noisy DSA may have a lot to do with that. Bill Kristol joins special guest host Sarah Longwell. Show notes: * Monday's "Morning Shots" * Sam and Mark Hertling on the Iran strikes on an air base in Jordan * Umberto Eco's "Ur-Fascism" piece As always: Watch, listen, hit the like button or leave a comment . We want to hear from you. Ad-free editions of The Bulwark Podcast are available exclusively for Bulwark+ members. The Bulwark Podcast with Tim Miller is available wherever you get podcasts and on YouTube. New shows drop each weekday afternoon. If you like the show, leave a comment and ⭐⭐⭐⭐ wherever you listen. Add The Bulwark Podcast to your player of choice, here .

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