# 2 Groups Now Control Ethereum's Future. Here's What They Want.

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Podcast: [The Breakdown](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-breakdown-440465)
Published: 2026-07-01T14:01:00+00:00
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David sits down with Paul Dylan-Ennis — lecturer at University College Dublin and member of the Ethereum Foundation’s Silviculture Society — to map the split between the EF and the newly-formed ETH Labs. TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Intro (00:41) EF Silviculture Society (03:28) Full Cypherpunk (14:15) Roadmaps and Governance (17:58) Capture Resistance Concerns (24:19) What is Ethereum Success (27:13) New Primitives and AI (32:32) Ossification Timeline FOLLOW THE SHOW › David — https://x.com/dcanellis › Paul Dylan-Ennis — https://x.com/post_polar_ › The Breakdown — https://x.com/TheBreakdownBW › The Breakdown Newsletter — https://blockworks.com/newsletter/the-breakdown DISCLAIMER As always, remember this podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely their opinions, not financial advice.

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