# Bitcoin Corporate Treasuries with Pierre Rochard | Bitcoin Infinity Show #181

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Published: 2025-12-15T10:00:26+00:00
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## Resource

Pierre Rochard joins the Bitcoin Infinity Show to talk about Bitcoin's financial evolution, from his early Lightning Network innovations to defending miners against political attacks and now leading the charge on corporate treasury companies like MicroStrategy and Riot. They dive into the debate over self-custody versus financialized Bitcoin products, the risks and rewards of leveraging debt to stack BTC, and how bridging fiat institutions could accelerate adoption in a world where fiat's collapse looms. This episode unpacks why option value and competitive products might reshape Bitcoin's future, even as self-sovereignty remains the ultimate ideal. Connect with Pierre: https://x.com/BitcoinPierre Connect with Us: https://www.bitcoininfinityshow.com/ https://bitcoininfinitystore.com https://primal.net/infinity https://primal.net/knut https://primal.net/luke https://twitter.com/BtcInfinityShow https://twitter.com/knutsvanholm https://twitter.com/lukedewolf Join the Bitcoin Infinity Academy at our Geyser page: https://geyser.fund/project/infinity Thanks to our sponsors - check out their websites for info: BitVault: https://bitvault.sv/ - Use Code INFINITY for 10% off! BitBox: https://bitbox.swiss/infinity - Use Code INFINITY for 5% off! Club Orange: https://www.cluborange.org/ Bitcoin Adviser: https://content.thebitcoinadviser.com/freedom ShopInBit: https://shopinbit.com/bitcoininfinity - Use code INFINITY for a €5 discount! The Bitcoin Infinity Show is a Bitcoin podcast hosted by Knut Svanholm and produced by Luke de Wolf.

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