# TBL Podcast - Season 13 Episode 9 - Saving the Secretarybird: A Conversation with Cassie Carstens Pt 2

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Podcast: [The Birding Life Podcast Network](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-birding-life-podcast-network-1255801)
Published: 2026-03-17T14:10:00+00:00
Episode link: http://www.thebirdinglife.com
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Duration seconds: 2665

## Resource

This is Part 2 of my conversation with Cassie Carstens, the Secretarybird Project Manager at BirdLife South Africa. In the first episode, we explored Cassie’s journey into bird conservation, what shaped his passion for birds, and some of the experiences and lessons that led him to the work he is doing today. If you haven’t listened to Part 1 yet, I would highly recommend going back and starting there. In this second part of the conversation, we go deeper into the conservation work around the Secretarybird. We unpack the challenges facing the species, how research and data help guide conservation decisions, and what practical steps are being taken to try and secure a future for this iconic bird. Cassie also shares insights into how conservation projects operate behind the scenes, and how birders and the broader public can play a role in supporting the work being done. Once again, a big thank you to Summerveld Country Lodge in Outer West Durban for allowing us to record this conversation on their premises.Visit our online store to get your birding related merchandise at great prices https://www.thebirdinglife.com/online-store Intro and outro music by Tony ZA https://soundcloud.com/tonyofficialza Links from show: If you would like to support the work Cassie is doing, you can reach him at cassie.carstens@birdlife.org.za BirdLife South Africa Secretarybird Conservation work website Summerveld Country Lodge https://summerveldcountrylodge.com/

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