# Progressive Covenantalism vs. Dispensationalism: The Real Issues (Ep 229)

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Published: 2026-04-19T19:30:00+00:00
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## Resource

How do progressive covenantalists understand Israel and the land promise? In this episode of Bible Sojourner, Peter Goeman reviews comments from Stephen Wellum in a recent interview with Grant Castleberry. Peter interacts with the core claims of progressive Covenantalism and talks about many of the presuppositions involved. The big questions in this discussion are these: • How does progressive covenantalism understand the people of Israel? • What happens to the Old Testament land promises? • Does Christ’s role as the true Israel mean national Israel no longer has significance? • Does typology fulfill earlier promises in a way that sets aside their specific details? • What role should the New Testament and Old Testament play in shaping our hermeneutic? If you enjoy thoughtful discussions on Bible, theology, and culture, subscribe and join the conversation. Video reviewed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4p3UKiZ1cc Time Stamps 00:00 Introduction: Progressive Covenantalism, Israel, and the Land Promise 00:01:43 Setting the Stage: Grant Castleberry and Stephen Wellum 00:06:54 Wellum’s Summary of Dispensationalism 00:09:35 Peter’s Initial Response: A Fair Definition, but One Addition 00:11:50 Castleberry’s Experience with Older Dispensationalism 00:13:04 Why Those Older Views Are Not Essential to Dispensationalism 00:18:50 Why Wellum Rejects Dispensationalism 00:27:56 Are All God’s Promises Fulfilled in Christ in the Same Way? 00:33:31 Does Representation Erase Israel’s National Identity? 00:37:36 Is the Church “Spiritual Israel”? Romans 9 and Galatians 6 00:43:13 The Problem of New Testament Priority 00:45:27 Matthew 19, Acts 1, and Acts 3 on Israel’s Future 00:50:04 Wellum on the Land Promise and New Creation 00:53:49 Peter’s Response: The Presuppositions Behind That Vie…

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