# Peter or James: A Case for James's Leadership in the Early Church (Ep 230)

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Podcast: [The Bible Sojourner](https://stenobird.com/podcast/the-bible-sojourner-1122307)
Published: 2026-05-01T19:00:00+00:00
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Was Peter really the undisputed leader of the early church—or does the New Testament point somewhere else? In this episode of The Bible Sojourner, we walk through Will Varner’s provocative article, “Was James the First Pope?” and explore the biblical and historical evidence that James, the brother of Jesus, may have functioned as the central leader of the early church in a way many Christians have overlooked. We look at the centrality of Jerusalem, James’s growing prominence in Acts, Galatians, and 1 Corinthians, his decisive role at the Jerusalem Council, and the way both Josephus and early church writers seem to confirm his importance. Along the way, we also consider what this means for common assumptions about Peter, Paul, Roman Catholic claims, and even Protestant blind spots. Whether you agree or disagree, this is a fascinating discussion that challenges tradition and pushes us back to the text of Scripture.If you enjoy thoughtful conversations on the Bible, theology, and culture, be sure to subscribe and join the discussion in the comments. Chapter Headings 00:00 Intro: Was James More Important Than Peter? 00:00:47 Why This Argument Was So Eye-Opening 00:02:06 The Main Thesis of Varner’s Article 00:04:35 James and the Centrality of Jerusalem 00:06:23 The Gospel Expands From Jerusalem to the Nations 00:09:55 Why Jerusalem Was Seen as the Center of the World 00:12:25 James’s Rise to Leadership in the Early Church 00:15:18 Paul’s Early Contact With Peter and James 00:17:02 James, Peter, and John as the “Pillars” 00:20:11 Peter Defers to James 00:21:31 The Jerusalem Council and James’s Final Judgment 00:28:18 Paul Continues to Follow James’s Lead 00:33:35 Josephus and the Historical Importance of James 00:36:29 James in Early Church Tradition 00:42:09 The Letter of J…

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